Bell of Lost Souls - Latest Comments in Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Ominous Anonymous — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:40:13 -0000

Used a similar list in a 1250 game a few days ago. My word that was such a fun game, and you can't really express in words how awesome it is to drop a whole tactical squad behind some guy's devestator's and let them rapid fire.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Matthew_Rider — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:38:37 -0000

how was games day uk highly disappointing?

i was there and i loved it (it was my first games day though)

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Matthew_Rider — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:33:02 -0000

doesnt say that anywere

it says that pods act independantly- so according to the rule book you can

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Smurfy — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:58:23 -0000

And with that we get -

HQ: Pedro Kantor -175-
HQ: Darnath Lysander -200-

EL: 10 Sternguard - 4 Combi-Meltas, Power Fist -295-
*Transport: Drop Pod -35-*
EL: 10 Sternguard - 4 Combi-Meltas, Power Fist -295-
*Transport: Drop Pod - Locator Beacon -50-*

TR: 10 Tactical Marines - Meltagun, Missile Launcher -175-
*Transport: Drop Pod -35-*
TR: 10 Tactical Marines - Meltagun, Missile Launcher -175-
*Transport: Drop Pod - Locator Beacon -50-*
TR: 5 Scouts - Sniper Rifles & Camo Cloaks, Sgt - Meltabombs -95-

FST: Attack Bike - Multi-Melta -50-
FST: Attack Bike - Multi-Melta -50-

HVY: 5 Devastator Marines - 4 Heavy Bolters -150-
HVY: Whirlwind -85-
HVY: Whirlwind -85-

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

thoughtfoxx — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:32:30 -0000

Not read the 'dex yet? no pods fro scouts.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

thoughtfoxx — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:26:29 -0000

I converted one some time ago - its pretty easy. I'll post a pic for you when I stop travelling for a while :(

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

thoughtfoxx — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:10:22 -0000

uh.. how do the scout transports work as obj grabbers? They are FA choices not troops, unless I am missing something here. [objective contestors sure, grabbers? not really]

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

anjinson — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:18:26 -0000

Here is 1750 point army i came up with...6 scoring units thanks to Pedro and either attacj Pedro and Kayvaan to the Vanguards or use teh Vanguards HI power...Tactical squads and Thunderfiure sit ina 3+ cover save ruin...use combat squads as needed/desired

Kayvaan Shrike 195

Pedro Cantor 175

Tactical 90
5 added marines 80
Plasmagun 10
Lascannon 10
Srgt Stormbolter 10
Total 200

Sternguard Veterans 125
Add 5 Veterans 125
8 Combi-Bolter Melta 40
2 Lascannon 30
Total 320

Vanguard Veterans 125
Add 5 Veterans 100
3 power weapons 45
3 Powerfists 75
Srgt Relic Blade 15
Jump packs 100
Total 460

Thunderfire Cannon 100

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

CT — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:06:25 -0000

Here's my 2000pt take on breaking Pedro:

HQ
Pedro Kantor - 175 pts
Kor'sarro Khan on Moondrakkan- 205 pts

Troops - 1020pts total
6 Space Marine Bike Squads with Multi-Melta Attack Bike and 2 Plasma Guns - 170pts ea.
(should count as 5 man squads according to breakdown of combat squads)

Fast Attack - 570pts total
3 Assault Squads in Drop Pods - 190pts ea.

Basic thought is to drop the pods with Pedro on open objectives. Then outflank with the bikes aiming for armoured targets and later reinforce the assault squads. This list still has about 30pts of wiggle room and I may back down a few of the plasma guns for flamers.

I really wanted to add some Grey Knights to this list but they didin't work with the outflanking bike concept. I'm still crunching the numbers, but I'd like to build an allied Grey Knights variation with two full-strength troops and one deep-striking fast attack. Including Pedro, a Gate of Infinity Librarian, and a Land Raider the list is nearing 1400pts. I think there is some real potential to be worked out there; especially with 2500pts.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

CT — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:12:56 -0000

If two unique characters are chosen, when does the player decide which chapter tactic takes precedence (i.e. if Shrike and Khan are in the same army when would I decide if I want fleet or outflank)?

This could make a huge difference especially if you're playing in a tournament setting.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Tim — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:11:03 -0000

Sounds like it has been good fun, and encouraging, playtesting the new marines.

Have you tried Telion or Chronos? I was sick and had to cancel my game day and haven't the chance to try Chronos out yet.

later,

Tim

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Xarius — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:20:43 -0000

have to mention this, scruff what was dissappointing about GamesDay?

also i have found after 3 weeks of constant playtesting, if using drop pods dont do it it half measures. A bare minimum of 3 and by that i mean bare, all with deathwinds and locators for the vanguard. I was playing necrons and got mine by turn 2 all in a line against his battleline. turn 1 out come 2 10 man squads of sternguard with combi flamers and decimagte them. turn 2 they pump out some disciplined vengence rounds and some tacticals come on and help. Turn 3 vanguard come down and anhialate the remaining 27 man squad with lord (damn we'll be back rules) with 24 power weapon, 16 normal and 3 relic weapon attacks!

also dont underestimate sternguard in combat, against non-devoted combat units like banshees they can really hold their own. even then my 8 man squad took out 5 chaos termies and a wound off the lord before going down HAHA!

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Sooch — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:50:51 -0000

Honestly I think that drop pods are good, used in moderation. All drop-pod armies are like daemons, in that your opponents get to take them apart piecemeal and once they're on the table they really don't have much mobility.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

jonhho — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:59:31 -0000

a lot of people are saying they are using combi-flamers with the Stern G's.

were does one get such a thing? or do you just have to convert one?

thanks

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Tim — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:59:34 -0000

You are correct... I meant the special ammo instead of the combi-weapons. Very effective.

How do you feel about drop pods?

later, Tim

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

JohnOSpencer — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:34:46 -0000

Hopefully all tournaments will start going up as 5th edition plays pretty fast. I found that the 2500 'ArdBoyz lists played in about 2 hours.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Mkvenner42 — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:59:14 -0000

Actually to be honest Lysander and Kantor in a Pod with 9 Sternguard is pretty nasty as Kantor has a nifty Strom Bolter as well but the real treat is Lysander Twin-linking all the bolters in that squad so all that nasty ammo can stick on your targets. Now it can get fairly expensive but if you do a drop army it will take considerably less casualties as you drop in the tact squads around the enemy and sternguard on enemy objectives as they count as scoring becuase of Kantor and can split squads when they hit the ground which can allow multi tasking. I think it is a good concept but i have to figure out a few kinks.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Tim — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:15:56 -0000

I did not know that... makes perfect sense to make 1500 point lists.

Have you considered taking Lysander instead of Kantor with your sternguard? Since he has bolter drill as a tactic and the sternguard can take combi-plasma it might be even better to gate a unit with Lysander, the sternguard and the Librarian.

I know this may completely change your army but re-rolling "ones" on the comb-weapons can be great when you only get one chance with them.

later, Tim

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Jake Nelson — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:29:24 -0000

Actually, special Issue ammo is strictly boltgun (including things that fire as a boltgun, ie combi-weapons) now. No bolt pistol, no heavy bolter. Specifically does work in a bike's twin-linked bolter, which is awesome/horrible, as a note.

And poison actually allows a reroll if wielder's Strength >= victim's Toughness, nothing to do with whether the poison is better. Although, I just noticed, Poisoned is only covered under close combat weapons, and there's no rules about it in Shooting... the Sniper rule details how that works, but not "Poisoned" as a shooting weapon rule... but RAI, since the hellfire profile's Strength X, I'd assume the reroll doesn't apply (like Sniper doesn't grant one).

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Sooch — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:21:21 -0000

In Canada we play 1500 tournaments.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Tim — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:08:43 -0000

Try bumping up your list to 1750 (most tournements) or 2000 pts (nice round number for one evening).

I think you can squeeze in some good stuff even with another 250 points like some speeders or "beefing" up you tactical squads.

later, Tim

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Sooch — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:38:40 -0000

Pedro Kantor 175pts

Librarian 100pts

Troops

5 Tactical Marines 130pts
-Powerfist
-Plasma Pistol
Drop Pod 65pts
-Beacon
-DW Launcher

5 Tactical Marines 130pts
-Powerfist
-Plasma Pistol
Drop Pod 45pts
-Beacon

Elites

10 Sternguard 280pts
-Power Weapon
-2 Combi-meltas
-1 Combi-flamer

10 Sternguard 275pts
-Power Weapon
-1 Combi-melta
-1 Combi-flamer

Heavy Support

5 Devastators 150pts
-4 missiles

1500pts

That's my attempt at breaking the new SM codex. Librarian bounces around with a unit of vets and pedro.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

xica — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:52:33 -0000

The master of the forge's special rule allows all types of dreadnoughts to be taken into either elite or heavy support.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Tim — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:55:50 -0000

Here is my list that I am going to try:

Pedro Kantor

SM Captain
- Bike
- Relic Blade
- Articifer Armour

Command Squad

Sternguard
- +5 Veterans
-+2 Multi-melta’s

Bike Squad #1
-+5 bikes
-+2 Plasma-guns
- Sergeant Powerfist
- Sergeant melta-bombs
- Attack Bike w/multi-melta

Bike Squad #2
-+5 bikes
-+2 Plasma-guns
- Sergeant Powerfist
- Sergeant melta-bombs
- Attack Bike w/multi-melta

Bike Squad #3
-+5 bikes
-+2 Plasma-guns
- Sergeant Plasma-pistol
- Attack Bike

Vindicator #1
- Brother-Sergeant Chronos
- Seige shield

Vindicator #2
- Seige shield

I plan on Kantor and the Command Squad to join together and support the Sternguard for close objectives and join the Captain with the third bike squad to support the first to bike squads going after far objectives. Brother-Sergeant Chronos will go wherever he is needed along with the second vindicator.

Re: Breaking the Space Marine Codex: Part 2

Herald of Nurgle — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:02:08 -0000

Ironclads and normal Dreads are completely different entries I thought. Forge allows the normal Dreads as Heavy - not Venerable or Ironclad
Vanguard are Fast Attack anyway
Nice choice on the Sternguard =)